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mandarinz · **Posted:** Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:10 am

KatKoppe wrote:

mandarinz wrote:

I read a trilogy by Lynn Flewelling a couple of years ago. Can't remember what the books were called(I never look at titles) , but I loved them.

Yeah, that's the one. I tried to find Nightrunner, but the library doesn't have it. :/

ShadowAndRhyme · **Posted:** Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:45 pm

Finished reading The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo a few days ago. I'm sharing ChaosCandy's opinion - a good book indeed, but not the best I have read. Yet looking forward to the second part, which I will start reading right after I finish Maskerade by Terry Pratchett.

CrazySunshine · **Posted:** Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:17 pm

Hermann Hesse "Narcissus and Goldmund

The work from Hesses novels which I like the most. Even if the beginning was boring and so tipical for Hesse- the meeting of two opposite charactures in some kind of school. But all this sense of destruction, Goldmund`s quests for himself, plague, death and passion...

In he end I was really in this book.

Morbidus · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:34 pm

Fulgrim (Graham McNeill)
I absolutely loved it.
I'm not sure how much sense it would make to someone without prior
knowledge of the world it is set in, but to me it was brilliant, even though I
knew how it would end before I even started reading it.

sally_wjb81 · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:19 pm

I dedicated myself to the literature about vampires. Some I cannot bear: they are too good... Naaaah!
I mean, where is Camarilla and The Masquerade? I belonged to a Play by Mail game about vampires. I have to quit my vampire because of I don't like too much "toreador"... I want more wrath than love affaires and fashion.
Ok, ok, I cannot say I face totally love in those books due to the fact I read (and I like) Nancy Kilpatrick and Lara Adrian as authors but.... I love evil characters over there.... *cough*
I'm reading "The lost Kiss" by Lara Adrian but, by now, I prefer the second of the saga: "The crimsom kiss" [because of she is a veterinarian and he has twin swords as weapons].. :lol:

In the first of the saga, there was a male character I totally hated, in the second there is one a little bit evil... Now, I expect more because of this time there should be a evil and evil character (but I hate the female characters this time). I cross my fingers... :lol:

I prefer evil vampires, rather than good vampires... Should there must be human / vampire love, there should be even war beyond the theme of love.
Meantime I am reading even Bram Stoker's Dracula.

Univerze · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:24 pm

sally_wjb81 wrote:

I dedicated myself to the literature about vampires. Some I cannot bear: they are too good... Naaaah!
I mean, where is Camarilla and The Masquerade?

Do you mean Carmilla?

And recent vampire literature has vampires very human, if you're looking for the more evil vampire, classic literature is often better.

ChaosCandy · **Posted:** Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:28 pm

^I think she meant Camarilla.

@t: don't know if I mentioned it, but I've read recently The First Chronicles of Druss: The Legend and The Legend of Deathwalker by my beloved David Gemmell.
Now I'm reading the next part od Drenai saga, Gemmell's Legend. And at the same time I'm reading Definitely Dead (Sookie Stackhouse chronicles), which is much lighter literature than Gemmell. Not that Gemmell is some ambitous almost-impossible-to-read stuff, it's just fantasy, but all this wars, deaths, battles and fear makes me not always in a mood for it, when I have simple and entertaining True Blood waiting to be read.

sally_wjb81 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:29 am

ChaosCandy wrote:

^I think she meant Camarilla.

Yes, I mean Camarilla in fact.
http://wiki.white-wolf.com/worldofdarkness/index.php?title=Camarilla_(Vampire:_The_Masquerade)
:wink:

Univerze wrote:

And recent vampire literature has vampires very human, if you're looking for the more evil vampire, classic literature is often better.

Previous literature has less examples than the most recent ones. I mean, I like the novels where the real track of the theme is not based most of all on love. I think new vampire literature bases on shuffling different races with vampires: humans, wolf(wo)men, valkyries and (sometimes) aliens...
It's too much weird for me.
According to my opinion (probably not shared by the most of persons), a vampire can be not only the "sucking-blood machine" but also a vampire can have some feelings (even love, friendship). They can have some feelings even towards their "usual food". They can suck blood only to survive or being overwhelmed by the eagerness of blood (more than the one they need). The "usual food" can survive from their attack or perish, but there should be a bit of evilness in them, traced all over the novel. Humans eating meat have feelings for animals (and pets), so why haven't a vampire do? There could be also love but as a secondary theme, not the main theme...
Nowadays it seems to me that authors like Lisa Jane Smith, Kerry Moon, the one who wrote Twilight (whose I only saw the first 2 movies in order to have my own opinion...), they use the theme of love as the main (or unique). I'm looking for authors that could make this theme only across the story, besides the main theme: the authors in the middle even in the new literature. I'm wondering about Ann Rice, Laurell: I have some novels of theirs but I still must read that pile.

That's why I like Nancy Kilpatrick (vampires are not clean, kind, the unblemished knights...). In Lara Adrian they are not so defined, but I like her style in writing and her idea of a warrior (and the most evil characters, except the mildest ones). According to me, now-a-day vampires are represented more heroes / superheroes than anti-hero (even when they are the protagonists). I mean I am not looking for the most splatter with tons of blood spilling but the ones where there is evilness against goodness, where evilness can win goodness in a certain sense.
It's good they are a little humanized but I think some authors exagerate with their humanization (making them loose their own evil dark side).
Anyway, you are right because classic literature is not for goodness.

I think the new literature, in any case, gave some innovations to be considered. :wink:

That's why I am in the middle between classic and new. :lol:

Univerze · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:45 pm

^wow, see I never played Vampire the Masquerade (is a videogame right?) so I had never heard of any names associated with it. I think they might have meant hinting towards Carmilla, the name's so similar, even though it's not a person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmilla
Also, good vampire story, if you're looking for those vampire tales where there is love but it's not the centre of the story.

ChaosCandy · **Posted:** Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:02 pm

^I agree Carmilla is pretty good story. However I don't think VTM Camarilla has anything to do with it. Camarilla is actually a word in english.
And there are 2 parts of PC games Vampire The Masquerade, but originally it's an RPG system, part of The World Of Darkness.

x_Cleo_x · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:27 am

I have bought a book which title is The Butcher Bird.

It is the story of tattooed guy who is one night attacked by a demon and is then able to cross the boundaries between different worlds.

The cover:

Hot. With capital 't' letter.

Univerze · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:49 pm

ChaosCandy wrote:

^I agree Carmilla is pretty good story. However I don't think VTM Camarilla has anything to do with it. Camarilla is actually a word in english.
And there are 2 parts of PC games Vampire The Masquerade, but originally it's an RPG system, part of The World Of Darkness.

Wow, guess I did learn something new today.. never heard of that word before.

Looked it up, now I know.

@Cleo; Hey, that sounds like quite the book. Don't like that they start out with "for fans of Buffy and Angel" because I like watching those series, but know they're a bit lame. Tell me what you think of the book, it sucks it would cost me 15 euros to get hold of it (looked it up just now), so don't know if I will be ordering it if I don't have a clue as to if I'll like it or not.

x_Cleo_x · **Posted:** Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:11 pm

Give me until the end of the week and i will tell you ^^

Karebear · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:59 pm

Man, I remember playing VTM by White Wolf. It's was a table-top game, LARP, and video game. Now, they have a new system which I play and love.

Anyways, I'm reading Daily Life in the Middle Ages. A dry read but very interesting.

ShadowAndRhyme · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:32 pm

I finished The Girl Who Played With Fire (the second part of Millenium trilogy by Stieg Larsson) a few days ago, it was really amazing. Currently reading the last part, The Girl WHo Kicked The Hornet's Nest, but... eh. I don't know. It's kind of boring right now. I mean, his style has always included a lot of descriptions and more... talking about actions than those actions really happening, if you know what I mean, but the last book has all too much explanation which is frankly boring at the moment. Hopefully it will pick up a certain pace soon.

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